If your friends don’t believe that cultural appropriation is real, just send them the video above.

In a piece originally reported by Raw Story that’s now become a trending topic on social media, journalist George Chidi (who used to work for Raw Story and is, notably, black) visited a Confederate Flag support rally at Georgia’s Stone Mountain Park. There, he talked to a man with a Ku Klux Klan insignia tattoo and hat about his shoes — specifically, his sneakers by FUBU, a brand founded by black entrepreneurs specifically to have a hip hop-inspired apparel line for black consumers (“FUBU” stands for “For Us By Us”). The exchange is hilarious, as the following quote from Raw Story attests:

“I just wanted to mention, I didn’t know if you were aware, I know you came here with the Ku Klux Klan or whatever,” George Chidi of Neon Flag began telling the man, only to be interrupted by the man explaining he came to the Saturday rally as a “southern American.”

“The only thing that I wanted to mention is that the shoes that you’re wearing,” Chidi, a former associated editor at Raw Story, continued in video he uploaded to social media.

“What’s the matter with the shoes I’m wearing?” the man interrupted again, saying his shoes sported colors of the KKK’s emblem. “They’re red and black and white.”

“The brand FUBU, it stands for ‘For us, by us,’” Chidi explained, noting the clothing company was founded by black entrepreneurs with the intent of empowering the black community.

But the man didn’t see the irony. “Them shoes that you probably wore was designed by a white man back in the 1920s,” he remarked. “But does that make you stop wearing them shoes because the white man designed them? I don’t care if a black man designed my shoes.”

So, who wins here? FUBU? The Klan? Everybody? Nobody? 

(H/t Raw Story